De que adianta a força em um duelo de sabres de luz?

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Eu assisti Star Wars (episódios 4, 5 e 6) e estou curioso para saber por que há tanta importância em dominar a Força. Até agora, eu vi a Força sendo usada para empurrar, levantar objetos pesados e puxar (e ocasionalmente estrangular pessoas!), Mas não consigo ver como isso ajuda a pessoa a manejar o sabre de luz.

Então, como a Força ajuda a pessoa em um duelo de sabres de luz?

    
por user96343 17.01.2016 / 14:37

5 respostas

  • Vamos começar com o prosaico: a Força está lá para ajudar fisicamente os Jedi, por ex. para prender uma queda ou simplesmente mover:

    Anakin looked up just in time to glimpse the bottom of Dooku’s rancor-leather boot as it came down on his face and smacked him tumbling toward the floor; he reached into the Force to effortlessly right himself and touched down in perfect balance to spring again toward the lightning flares

    ...

    yet Skywalker’s blade met the cut as he passed and he managed to sweep his blade behind his head to slap aside the casual thrust Dooku aimed at the back of his neck—but his clumsy charge had put him in Kenobi’s path, so that the Jedi Master had to Force-roll over his partner’s head

  • Você pode usar a Força apenas para ataque. Nenhum sabre de luz necessário.

    He gathered the Force once more in a single indrawn breath that summoned power from throughout the universe; the slightest whipcrack of that power, negligent as a flick of his wrist, sent Kenobi flying backward to crash hard against the wall, but Dooku didn’t have time to enjoy it.

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  • Você usa a Força para fortalecer sua mão (golpes de ataque ou bloqueios de defesa)

    The shining blue lightsaber whirled and spat and every overhand chop crashed against Dooku’s defense with the unstoppable power of a meteor strike; the Sith Lord spent lavishly of his reserve of the Force merely to meet these attacks without being cut in half, and Skywalker—

  • No entanto, o principal objetivo da Força em um duelo de sabre de luz é guiar a mão, corpo e mente do portador, sentindo o presente e o futuro.

    Em outras palavras, não é realmente sobre o sabre de luz (como a questão relacionada mostrou, você pode usar um sabre de luz sem a Força. E como muitos exemplos - incluindo aqueles nesta resposta - mostram, você nem sempre usa o sabre de luz em combate como um Jedi. Você pode chutar. Você pode se mover. Você pode até usar um blaster ala não civilizado Obi-Wan em Utapau).

    Because they fought as they had been trained, by releasing all desire and allowing the Force to flow through them, they had no hope of countering Dooku’s mastery of Sith techniques. They had learned nothing since he had bested them on Geonosis.

    They allowed the Force to direct them; Dooku directed the Force.

    Os exemplos são muito numerosos para citar, vou tentar um casal.

    Aqui está Obi-Wan encontrando os ataques com o sabre de luz de Grevious em Invisible Hand

    The Force, like water, takes on the shape of its container without effort, without thought. The water that was Obi-Wan poured itself into the container that was Grievous’s attack, and while some materials might be water-tight, Obi-Wan had yet to encounter any that were entirely, as it were, Force-tight ...

    While the intent to swing was still forming in Grievous’s mind, the part of the Force that was Obi-Wan was also the part of the Force that was R2-D2, as well as an internal fusion-welder Anakin had retrofitted into R2-D2’s primary grappling arm, and so there was no need for actual communication between them; it was only Obi-Wan’s personal sense of style that brought his customary gentle smile to his face and his customary gentle murmur to his lips.

    Aqui está Obi-Wan lutando Grevious em Utapau (esqueça os sabres de luz):

    Instead of waiting for an answer he spun, heaving Obi-Wan right off the deck with effortless strength, whipping him up over his head to slam him to the deck with killing power; Obi-Wan could only let go of the staff and allow the Force to angle his fall into a stumbling roll. Grievous sprang after him, swinging the electrostaff and slamming it across Obi-Wan’s flank before the Jedi Master could recover his balance. The impact sent Obi-Wan tumbling sideways and the electroburst discharge set his robe on fire. Grievous stayed right with him, attacking before Obi-Wan could even realize exactly what was happening, attacking faster than thought

    But Obi-Wan didn’t need to think. The Force was with him, and he knew.

    Então, a descrição poética e fluente de Obi-Wan confrontando Grevious em Invisible Hand :

    He doesn’t even need to reach into the Force.

    He has already let the Force reach into him.

    The Force flows over him and around him as though he has stepped into a crystal-pure waterfall lost in the green coils of a forgotten rain forest; when he opens himself to that sparkling stream it flows into him and through him and out again without the slightest interference from his conscious will. The part of him that calls itself Obi-Wan Kenobi is no more than a ripple, an eddy in the pool into which he endlessly pours.
    There are other parts of him here, as well; there is nothing here that is not a part of him, from the scuff mark on R2-D2’s dome to the tattered hem of Palpatine’s robe, from the spidering crack in one transparisteel panel of the curving view wall above to the great starships that still battle beyond it.
    Because this is all part of the Force.

    Why is meaningless; it is an echo of the past, or a whisper from the future. All that matters, for this infinite now, is what, and where, and who.

    He is all sixteen of the super battle droids, gleaming in laser-reflective chrome, arms loaded with heavy blasters. He is those blasters and he is their targets. He is all eight destroyer droids waiting with electronic patience within their energy shields, and both bodyguards, and every single one of the shivering Neimoidians. He is their clothes, their boots, even each drop of reptile-scented moisture that rolls off them from the misting sprays they use to keep their internal temperatures down. He is the binders that cuff his hands, and he is the electrostaff in the hands of the bodyguard at his back.

    He is both of the lightsabers that the other droid bodyguard marches forward to offer to General Grievous.

    And he is the general himself.

    He is the general’s duranium ribs. He is the beating of Grievous’s alien heart, and is the silent pulse of oxygen pumped through his alien veins. He is the weight of four lightsabers at the general’s belt, and is the greedy anticipation the captured weapons sparked behind the general’s eyes. He is even the plan for his own execution simmering within the general’s brain.

    He is all these things, but most important, he is still Obi-Wan Kenobi.

    This is why he can simply stand. Why he can simply wait. He has no need to attack, or to defend. There will be battle here, but he is perfectly at ease, perfectly content to let the battle start when it will start, and let it end when it will end.

    Just as he will let himself live, or let himself die.

    This is how a great Jedi makes war.

    General Grievous lifted the two lightsabers, one in each duranium hand, to admire them by the light of turbolaser blasts outside, and said, “Rare trophies, these: the weapon of Anakin Skywalker, and the weapon of General Kenobi. I look forward to adding them to my collection.”

    “That will not happen. I am in control here.”

    The reply came through Obi-Wan’s lips, but it was not truly Obi-Wan who spoke. Obi-Wan was not in control; he had no need for control. He had the Force.

    It was the Force that spoke through him.

    He reached through the Force and the Force reached through him; his blade flared to life while still in the air; it flipped toward him, and as he lifted his hands to meet it, its blue flame flashed between his wrists and severed the binders before the handgrip smacked solidly into his palm.

    Obi-Wan was so deep in the Force that he wasn’t even suprised it had worked.

    He made a quarter turn to face Anakin, who was already in the air, having leapt simultaneously with Obi-Wan’s gentle murmur because Obi-Wan and Anakin were, after all, two parts of the same thing; Anakin’s flip carried him over Obi-Wan’s head at the perfect range for Obi-Wan’s blade to flick out and burn through his partner’s binders, and while Grievous was still flinching away from the fountain of fusion fire, Anakin landed with his own hand extended; Obi-Wan felt a liquid surge in the waterfall that he was, and Anakin’s lightsaber sang through the air and Anakin caught it, and so, one single second after Grievous had begun to summon the intent to swing, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker stood back-to-back in the center of the bridge, expressionlessly staring past the snarling blue energy of their lightsabers.

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17.01.2016 / 18:53

Foresight, ataques em tandem (filmes fazem um trabalho ruim mostrando isso) talentos sobre-humanos como velocidade, agilidade, pular muito alto (Obi-wan no episódio 2, Anakin no episódio 3) mais newtons de força com seu swing, poderia continuar .

Existem muitos bons exemplos em lendas.

    
17.01.2016 / 14:42

Além das outras respostas, adicionarei uma técnica chamada Meditação de Batalha.

Meditação de Batalha foi uma técnica de força (ou poder) que teve uso extensivo na Antiga República para uma variedade de cenários. de batalhas espaciais a duelos de sabres de luz.

"Battle meditation was a Force ability that considerably boosted the morale, stamina, and overall battle prowess of an individual's allies while simultaneously reducing the opposition's combat-effectiveness by eroding their will to fight." From Wookiepedia.

Há várias menções de lendas sobre seu uso, mas não estou em casa para pescar livros no momento. Alguns usos notáveis foram a habilidade fabulosa de Bastilla em meditação de batalha para destruir a frota montada ao redor da forja estelar, e a tentativa de assassinato contra Darth Bane.

"It had been many years since Farfalla had fought while empowered by Worror's battle meditation. He had forgotten how much quicker and stronger the Ithorian's amazing talent made him feel. The Force floqwed though him with greater power, filling him with its might." -Darth Bane: Rule of Two page 277

Portanto, em resumo, um usuário de força poderosa pode usar essa técnica para ajudar aliados a derrotar oponentes no combate com sabre de luz.

    
17.01.2016 / 20:15

Eu acho que você pode estar confundindo a Força com a habilidade de mover objetos / pessoas ao redor. Aqui a citação de Obi-Wan sobre o significado da Força em 'Star Wars':

"The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together." - Obi-Wan Kenobi

E o pequeno discurso de Yoda em 'Star Wars: O Império Contra-Ataca':

"For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you. Here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere! Yes, even between the land and the ship." - Yoda

Assim, quando a atenção é dada por Obi-Wan e Yoda no treinamento de Lucas sobre "entender a Força", eles estão se referindo à "Força Viva" que, como os qoutes ilustram, pode ter vantagens infinitas; você está mais conectado ao universo, entendendo sua posição no mundo, a beleza dos seres dentro dele. Esse entendimento e conexão vão te ancorar, apoiando você através dos desafios que você enfrenta. Como Yoda diz quando treina Luke:

“Yes, a Jedi’s strength flows from the Force. But beware of the dark side. Anger, fear, aggression; the dark side of the Force are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan’s apprentice.” - Yoda

A força do lado negro da força deriva de uma paixão autocentrada, uma desconexão com a realidade e o universo, muitas vezes cegando os Sith Lords para sua queda.

Anakin Skywalker: The Sith rely on their passion for their strength. They think inward, only about themselves.

Supreme Chancellor: And the Jedi don't?

Anakin Skywalker: The Jedi are selfless... they only care about others.

- Revenge of the Sith

Assim, enquanto um grande conhecimento da força pode melhorar seus poderes telecinéticos, sua antecipação dos próximos movimentos do seu oponente melhor, e até mesmo sua resistência a seus poderes, o foco em 'aprender os caminhos da Força' no filmes é sobre permanecer fiel a você mesmo, permanecer só e altruísta, mantendo a responsabilidade enquanto aumenta seu poder.

    
18.01.2016 / 04:44

Acho que você está perdendo dois pontos principais. Vou responder a pergunta atual por último e primeiro dar a resposta subjacente:

O OP disse que eles só viram os três filmes originais, estes não tinham a tecnologia para mostrar qualquer um dos espetaculares duelos de sabres de luz que você pode ver nos filmes posteriores, na série animada ou algo parecido. Além disso, Vader tende a atacar de raiva pura e não tem mais a agilidade de Anakin devido a seus ferimentos e seu terno. Se você quiser ver alguns dos melhores exemplos de duelos, você deve conferir os trailers da Old Republic.

                             

Além disso, quaisquer batalhas contra o General Grievous tendem a ser bons exemplos de proezas defensivas devido ao seu hábito de usar quatro sabres de uma só vez.

Agora, a outra coisa que as pessoas parecem estar perdendo aqui, duelos de sabres de luz na verdade têm muito pouco a ver com sabres de luz, eles são simplesmente um meio para um fim. Uma arma legal que se encaixa com o tema "espaço ocidental", desmonta no contato e, portanto, é obviamente perigosa nas mãos erradas. Se não houvesse nenhum usuário de força envolvido seria simplesmente uma luta de espadas com tecnologia de fantasia.

Quando dois usuários de força estão duelando sobre seu domínio sobre a força, eles permitem uma medida de controle sobre o duelo. Se esse controle vem através de ataques sensoriais, forças de força (choke, lightning, push / pull) ou até mesmo apenas força de força / velocidade / agilidade da força, muito pouco de um duelo é uma luta de espadas. Mesmo quando parece que alguém está simplesmente atacando com raiva ou defendendo ataques simples, eles ainda estão atraindo a força.

Uma nota lateral para o OP, é possível parar um ataque com o sabre de luz usando apenas a força, de modo que o seu uso deve ser questionado?

    
18.01.2016 / 04:09