Quão importante foi a vitória na Batalha dos Cinco Exércitos?

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Falei recentemente com um amigo quando disse que não gostava de como Peter Jackson transformara a Batalha dos Cinco Exércitos na batalha pela Terra Média. Meu amigo respondeu com " Bem, era , na minha opinião ".

Eu perguntei por que e ele disse que achava que, se os homens da Cidade do Lago, elfos e anões não conseguiram derrotar o exército de Bolg, então Sauron teria acabado recuperando o anel. Eu respondi que o exército da Botfa era independente de Sauron, mas meu amigo respondeu dizendo que porque o exército continha orcs, que o anel ainda teria acabado com Sauron

Existe alguma verdade nessa afirmação? Foi uma batalha crítica na história da Terra Média?

    
por user31546 04.11.2014 / 22:55

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Era importante para os eventos do LOTR, no entanto. Os eventos de O Hobbit tiraram Smaug e as forças Goblin / Orc das Montanhas Sombrias dos planos de Sauron. Sem isso, teria havido uma guerra devastadora tanto no norte quanto no sul. Embora os Homens, os Anões e os Elfos do Norte não ajudassem muito na defesa de Helms Deep e Gondor, apenas por estarem lá, eles queriam dizer que Sauron tinha que reservar algumas de suas forças para lidar com eles mais tarde. Foi apenas o Rei Bruxo de Angmar e os Orcs de Minas Morgul (reforçado por Homens do Extremo Sul e Leste) que foram enviados contra Gondor, não o exército pessoal de Sauron de Mordor. Sauron teve que reservar aqueles para lidar com Lothlórien, Rivendell e o Norte.

Esta citação de LOTR, Apêndice A, descreve os pensamentos de Gandalf pouco antes de encontrar Thorin por acaso em Bree:

But at last there came about by chance a meeting between Gandalf and Thorin that changed all the fortunes of the House of Durin, and led to other and greater ends beside. On a time Thorin, returning west from a journey, stayed at Bree for the night. There Gandalf was also. He was on his way to the Shire, which he had not visited for some twenty years. He was weary, and thought to rest there for a while.

Among many cares he was troubled in mind by the perilous state of the North; because he knew then already that Sauron was plotting war, and intended, as soon as he felt strong enough, to attack Rivendell. But to resist any attempt from the East to regain the lands of Angmar and the northern passes in the mountains there were now only the Dwarves of the Iron Hills. And beyond them lay the desolation of the Dragon. The Dragon Sauron might use with terrible effect. How then could the end of Smaug be achieved?

O final do Apêndice A descreve a importância tática da Batalha dos Cinco Exércitos:

The Dragon was slain by Bard of Esgaroth, but there was battle in Dale. For the Orcs came down upon Erebor as soon as they heard of the return of the Dwarves; and they were led by Bolg, son of that Azog whom Dáin slew in his youth. In that first Battle of Dale, Thorin Oakenshield was mortally wounded; and he died and was laid in a tomb under the Mountain with the Arkenstone upon his breast. There fell also Fíli and Kíli, his sister-sons. But Dáin Ironfoot, his cousin, who came from the Iron Hills to his aid and was also his rightful heir, became then King Dáin II, and the Kingdom under the Mountain was restored, even as Gandalf had desired. Dáin proved a great and wise king, and the Dwarves prospered and grew strong again in his day.

In the late summer of that same year (2941) Gandalf had at last prevailed upon Saruman and the White Council to attack Dol Guldur, and Sauron retreated and went to Mordor, there to be secure, as he thought, from all his enemies. So it was that when the War came at last the main assault was turned southwards; yet even so with his far-stretched right hand Sauron might have done great evil in the North, if King Dáin and King Brand had not stood in his path. Even as Gandalf said afterwards to Frodo and Gimli, when they dwelt together for a time in Minas Tirith. Not long before news had come to Gondor of events far away.

‘I grieved at the fall of Thorin,’ said Gandalf; ‘and now we hear that Dáin has fallen, fighting in Dale again, even while we fought here. I should call that a heavy loss, if it was not a wonder rather that in his great age he could still wield his axe as mightily as they say that he did, standing over the body of King Brand before the Gate of Erebor until the darkness fell.

'Yet things might have gone far otherwise and far worse. When you think of the great Battle of the Pelennor, do not forget the battles in Dale and the valour of Durin's Folk. Think of what might have been. Dragon-fire and savage swords in Eriador, night in Rivendell. There might be no Queen in Gondor. We might now hope to return from the victory here only to ruin and ash. But that has been averted - because I met Thorin Oakenshield one evening on the edge of spring in Bree. A chance-meeting, as we say in Middle-earth.'

Ou talvez a mão de Ilúvatar (Eru).

    
04.11.2014 / 23:38

Gandalf explica a razão - se a Batalha dos Cinco Exércitos tivesse acontecido, não haveria mais King Dain e King Brand em pé durante a Guerra do Anel, e isso era uma coisa crítica para a derrota de Sauron: / p>

So it was that when the War came at last the main assault was turned southwards; yet even so with his far-stretched right hand Sauron might have done great evil in the North, if King Dáin and King Brand had not stood in his path.

... (tudo isso de Apêndices em Retorno do Rei):

'I grieved at the fall of Thorin,' said Gandalf; 'and now we hear that Dáin has fallen, fighting in Dale again, even while we fought here. I should call that a heavy loss, if it was not a wonder rather that in his great age he could still wield his axe as mightily as they say that he did, standing over the body of King Brand before the Gate of Erebor until the darkness fell.

'Yet things might have gone far otherwise and far worse. When you think of the great Battle of the Pelennor, do not forget the battles in Dale and the valour of Durin's Folk. Think of what might have been. Dragon-fire and savage swords in Eriador, night in Rivendell. There might be no Queen in Gondor. We might now hope to return from the victory here only to ruin and ash. But that has been averted - because I met Thorin Oakenshield one evening on the edge of spring in Bree. A chance-meeting, as we say in Middle-earth.'

    
05.11.2014 / 01:46