Como Anakin aprendeu como se tornar um fantasma após a sua morte?

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Qui-Gon descobriu como se tornar um fantasma de força após a morte e falar com os vivos (se eles são receptivos). No final do episódio 3, Yoda aprendeu com ele e disse a Obi-Wan que ele iria ensiná-lo também. Isso funcionou, aparentemente, e Kenobi sabia o truque.

Mas quando e como Anakin aprendeu a fazer isso e apareceu no final do episódio 6?

    
por Olaf 24.11.2013 / 20:59

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De acordo com a Wikia - que é sem recursos, leve isso com um pouco de sal! -

Darth Vader learned of this ability through Darth Sidious, and upon his death, the spirits of Kenobi and Yoda completed his training by granting him the last step in becoming a spirit.

Eu acho que isso pode ser proveniente do livro A Ascensão e Queda de Darth Vader , mas preciso relê-lo para confirmar. Além disso, este livro ainda não é considerado canon. Ainda está na categoria de lendas. Mas a explicação parece fazer mais sentido.

    
25.11.2013 / 02:02

Foi dito que Anakin aprendeu a se tornar um fantasma da Força devido à assistência oportuna do fantasma Obi-Wan e / ou do fantasma Yoda. Lucas disse isso no comentário do DVD de Return of the Jedi :

"This little scene where he burns his father's body, it wasn't originally in the script. But I decided it gave more closure in terms of Luke's relationship to his father, letting go of his father. Even though later on, as we get to the end of the movie, as he joins the Force, he was able to retain his original identity, it's because of Obi-Wan and Yoda, who learned how to do that: how to join the Force at will and then retain your identity. But it was his identity as he was when he died as Anakin Skywalker."

Em Star Wars: Os roteiros anotados , o ato é atribuído no rascunho do ROTJ para Yoda especificamente:

In the rough draft… Ben explains that… if "Vader becomes one with the dark side of the Force, he will lose all identity. If he turns to the good side, he will pass through the Netherworld" and in the revised rough draft, Yoda "will rescue him before he becomes one with the Force."

Embora eles não sejam mais canônicos, a mesma idéia (referindo-se apenas a Obi-Wan) foi apresentada nos livros de Ryder Windham A Ascensão e Queda de Darth Vader e A Vida e a Lenda de Obi-Wan Kenobi .

"Anakin, listen carefully," Obi-Wan interrupted. "You are in the netherworld of the Force, but if you ever wish to revisit corporeal space, then I still have one thing left to teach you. A way to become one with the Force. If you choose this path to immortality, you must listen now, before your consciousness fades." (The Life and Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi)

Agora que vimos a "missão de visão" de Yoda na 6ª temporada do TCW, a situação talvez seja menos clara. No entanto, está claro que Vader não aprende a habilidade de Darth Sidious. O roteiro e a novelização de Revenge of the Sith ambos enfatizaram que os Sith são incapazes de atingir o poder:

QUI -GON: (V.O.) Patience. You will have time. I did not. When I became one with the Force I made a great discovery. With my training, you will be able to merge with the Force at will. Your physical self will fade away, but you will still retain your consciousness. You will become more powerful than any Sith.

YODA: Eternal consciousness. 

QUI-GON: (V.O.) The ability to defy oblivion can be achieved, but only for oneself. It was accomplished by a Shaman of the Whills. It is a state acquired through compassion, not greed.

(Revenge of the Sith script)

 Yoda did not move. “Eternal life …”  

The ultimate goal of the Sith, yet they can never achieve it; it comes only by the release of self, not the exaltation of self. It comes through compassion, not greed. Love is the answer to the darkness.

("Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith", novelization by Matthew Stover)

    
06.06.2015 / 18:20

De acordo com o livro não-canônico A Ascensão e Queda de Darth Vader , Obi-Wan o ensinou logo após a morte de Anakin:

Closing his eyes as he slumped back against the shuttle ramp, Anakin Skywalker had every reason to believe that he was finally about to embrace perpetual darkness.

Not for the first time, he was wrong.

EPILOGUE

Initially, there was darkness for Anakin Skywalker, a boundless shadowy realm, like a universe without stars. But then, from somewhere at the edge of his awareness, he perceived a distant, shimmering light, then heard a voice say, Anakin.

The voice was familiar.

Although Anakin no longer had a body or a mouth with which to speak, he somehow answered, Obi-Wan? Master, I'm so sorry. So very, very-

Anakin, listen carefully, Obi-Wan interrupted, and Anakin was aware that the distant light was either growing brighter or closer, or perhaps both. You are in the netherworld of the Force, but if you ever wish to revisit corporeal space, then I still have one thing left to teach you. A way to become one with the Force. If you choose this path to immortality, then you must listen now, before your consciousness fades.

Knowing he was beyond redemption, Anakin said, But, Master... why me?

Because you ended the horror, Anakin, Obi-Wan said. Because you fulfilled the prophecy.

The light was very bright now.

Anakin's first thought was that he might be able to see his children again. He said, Thank you, Master.

Taking the Imperial shuttle, Luke Skywalker had escaped with his father's remains from the Death Star only a moment before the battle station exploded. After landing on the Sanctuary Moon, Luke prepared a very private funeral in a forest clearing.

Night had fallen by the time Luke placed Anakin Skywalker's armor-clad body atop a pile of gathered wood. As he ignited the pyre, Luke said, "I burn his armor and with it the name of Darth Vader. May the name of Anakin Skywalker be a light that guides the Jedi for generations to come."

Luke was unaware of the spirits who watched him from the shadows of the lambent woods. But later, when he rejoined his allies for their victory celebration in the treetop village that was home to the Ewoks, Luke saw three shimmering apparitions materialize in the darkness. They were Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda... and his father, Anakin Skywalker.

The Jedi had returned.

    
08.01.2016 / 05:10

no Star Wars the Clone Wars 2009 t.v. série, na 6 ª temporada Yoda está aprendendo a ter a capacidade de se tornar um fantasma da força. Ele teve que derrotar seu interior para fazê-lo, e então eu acredito que quando Anakin matou o Imperador ele derrotou seu eu interior, permitindo que ele se juntasse a Yoda e Obi Wan. Sim, eu definitivamente acredito que porque Anakin era 'o escolhido' e tendo a maior força midi-chlorians, que pelo menos Qui-Gon tinha visto antes, deve ter sido muito mais fácil manter-se mesmo na morte.

    
08.04.2015 / 03:12

Isso é hipotético. Mas, e se Vader já fosse tecnicamente um fantasma de força (como Sion e Nihlus)? Anakin Skywalker estava morto, era seu ódio e raiva que mantinha seu corpo vivo. Em certo sentido, sendo um espírito torturado e zumbificado, preservado pela energia antinatural do Lado Negro. Somente quando ele soltar esse ódio, seu espírito poderá finalmente tornar-se um com a Força.

    
08.01.2017 / 16:05

Por entrada de Anakin Skywalker em Wookieepedia:

Though Skywalker did not know about Qui-Gon Jinn's secret of joining the Force, and was surprised when Kenobi's body vanished right before he killed him, he was still able to retain his personality when joining the Force. Jinn had been outspoken in life about the Living Force, and taught Yoda on Dagobah that the secret to eternal life via the Force, was with love. Thus, according to Jinn, a Sith could never truly attain it. As he passed from life, Skywalker's love for his son consumed him completely, transforming him into a spirit like his Master had before him.

    
02.12.2013 / 00:20

Eu acredito que ele só foi capaz de fazer isso porque ele foi o escolhido e nasceu da força. Talvez também porque ele de certa forma fez o que Yoda fez em The Clone Wars. Ele enfrentou seu lado escuro e veio, enfrentou seu medo. Essa é a minha interpretação de como e por que isso aconteceu. Eu não acredito que haja uma explicação CANON a partir de agora. Eu não sei porque, mas por alguma razão eu sinto que Qui-Gon o ajudou, mas eu não sei de onde eu ouvi isso.

    
03.11.2017 / 10:08

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