Depois que Darth Vader foi morto, Luke contou a alguém que ele era seu pai?

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Será que algum dia se tornou "público" saber que Anakin era Darth Vader, depois que ele morreu? Havia, claro, várias pessoas no funeral Jedi de Darth Vader, mas os outros (não incluindo Leia) sabiam que ele era Anakin e pai de Luke e Leia? UE ou cânone?

    
por Juha Untinen 25.04.2016 / 09:43

6 respostas

Luke disse a Leia. Leia disse Han. Leia e Han disseram a Ben Solo. Pode ser isso. 1 Leia não tem certeza se Chewbacca sabe. Então fala o novo romance canônico, Bloodline .

Nota: Spoilers para Star Wars: Bloodline à frente

Casterfo frowned. “Princess Leia?”

He had dared to tell her his most painful truth. She could never reveal hers, not to anyone who didn’t already know; Leia understood that. But perhaps she could find the courage to match his honesty with a measure of her own.

“At the beginning of the war against the Empire, just as the Imperial Senate was dissolved—” She swallowed hard. “My ship was captured by the Devastator. That was Darth Vader’s flagship at the time. He personally brought me to the Death Star, where he— where he questioned me.”...

“Then he brought me to witness Alderaan’s destruction. Vader’s hand gripped my shoulder just after I watched my planet die. He made me suffer in every way a human being can suffer, all for the love of the Emperor.”

Casterfo slipped his arm from under her hand — she had gone utterly motionless — and grasped her fingers in his. As old as she was, as cynical as she’d become, Leia would never have guessed that such a gesture could still move her, but it did.

“I hated him so much,” she whispered. The breeze blew past them, rustling the blueblossom trees within the hanging gardens. It was as if they were helping to hide her painful words. “Sometimes I felt as if the only thing that kept me going in the aftermath of Alderaan was the strength of my hatred for Vader.”

For my father.
- Star Wars: Bloodline

...

Think of your conversation with Casterfo as practice, she told herself. One day she would have to reveal all this to her son. The truth of Vader’s identity had shattered her; she could not imagine what it might mean to Ben. At least Luke could tell Ben the most important part— that Vader had, in the end, been redeemed. Anakin Skywalker had returned; the dark side had been defeated by the light.
- ibid

...

Tai-Lin hesitated before he came closer. “There’s something I’ve been meaning to ask you for a long time, and finally I feel I know you well enough to dare. If I overstep my bounds, please, tell me.”

Uh-oh, Leia thought. Was this some kind of romantic overture? Surely not. She seemed to have a case of paranoia this morning. But she understood why an outside observer might believe she was available, which was proof Han had definitely been gone too long. “I’ll tell you, Tai-Lin. Go ahead and ask me.”

“Did you never consider following in your brother’s path and becoming a Jedi?”

Leia found herself caught short. “Why do you ask?”

“They say on my world that the Force sometimes runs strong in certain families.”

So much of the lore of the Jedi had been lost— but on Gatalenta, the old religion had remained strong. History had become legend, but some of the legends were still told. Gatalenta had been one of Luke’s first destinations when he began his research into the Jedi Knights of old.

Tai-Lin continued, “If that is true, then you might have the potential, just like your brother.”

And my son, she thought but did not say.

“If you have that ability, then I cannot imagine why you would not become a Jedi as well,” Tai-Lin finished. “Surely I’ve known few people who would make a finer Jedi Knight than you.”

Leia inclined her head in gratitude for the compliment, but she could not answer right away, because she could not tell the full truth. The Force was too important a subject to be shared lightly, even with Tai-Lin, her ally and friend.
- ibid

No entanto, não teria sido necessário que Luke contasse a mais ninguém - o segredo fora exposto diante do senado galáctico por um rival político de Leia:

Ransolm continued, “Princess Leia’s lies have protected her long enough. Her deception cannot be permitted to endanger the entire galaxy. If people are considering electing her as First Senator, they have the right to know exactly who they’re voting for.”

Leia’s confusion crystallized in an instant around one of her most terrible fears: He knows.

No. Impossible. Nobody had ever known this besides her, Luke, and Han; she wasn’t even sure whether Han had told Chewie. They hadn’t even told Ben yet. So Ransolm couldn’t have learned the most horrible truth of her life. There was no way. He had to be talking about something else.

But what? There was nothing Leia could think of, nothing besides...

Ransolm pointed at her and declared to the entire Galactic Senate, “Senator Leia Organa is none other than the daughter of Darth Vader himself!”
- ibid

Como ele descobriu, se Leia, Luke e Han não lhe contaram? Estranhamente, ele obteve uma gravação de Bail Organa derramando o feijão - uma gravação que Leia nunca ouvira.

Uproar swirled around Leia, surrounded her. She could hardly hear the shouts, stamps, whistles, and pounded desks from the senators over the rushing of blood in her own ears. Her breaths came shallow in her chest, as if Ransolm Casterfo’s revelation had wound itself so tightly around her that she would soon suffocate.

“This is a lie!” Varish howled over the din. “A filthy, outrageous lie, and one Senator Organa will rise to deny!”

Will I? Leia’s thoughts filtered through a daze. Her limbs had gone so watery and weak from shock that she wasn’t sure she could get to her feet.

“I do not come without proof,” Ransolm said. “I will now present my evidence for everyone to hear, so that they can all know how close we came to allowing Lord Vader’s daughter to rule over us all.”

Proof? What possible proof could there be? Leia stared at Ransolm, aware that she should feel angry or betrayed, but unable to summon any emotions besides horror and confusion.

Then Ransolm held up a box — not just any box, a keepsake chest. Every child on Alderaan had one. Parents and grandparents carved the designs, but only the child decided what would be put inside. Placing one of your possessions inside the keepsake chest meant that you had outgrown it but recognized its importance to you. In adulthood you could open the chest, look back, and see how you had chosen to tell your own story.

Leia thought that keepsake chest looked like hers. But she hadn’t seen it in at least thirty years, and surely it had been destroyed with Alderaan.

Nobody was ever supposed to open a keepsake chest without permission, but Ransolm opened this one now. From within he pulled out a music box, one Leia recognized so instantly that the memory pierced her heart like an arrow. She had no time to wonder how it had survived or come into Ransolm Casterfo’s possession; Ransolm had already opened it, and the tune began to play. Mirrorbright shines the moon—

— and then Bail Organa began to speak. Just the sound of his voice brought tears to her eyes, but every word revealed her deepest secret. In despair Leia thought, They are using both my fathers against me.

Bail Organa, who had so often spoken out in the Old Republic and Imperial senates, who had possessed the courage to stand against Palpatine when nearly every other planetary leader had bowed to the Emperor’s power, uttered his last words to the public from the music box, played on every speaker, to be reproduced by every news source around the galaxy within moments. “Your father has become Darth Vader.”

The shouting rose again, even louder than before. Leia bit the inside of her cheek, struggling to keep some small measure of her composure. Her father — her real father — had had the foresight to store this somewhere offplanet. He had given Leia the truth in the only way he could. And the Senate had repaid his service and his love by using it to humiliate his daughter. She felt a moment of dull gratitude that at least Bail had never known this; he’d never had to face just how terribly his message had been used against her.
- ibid

Claro, R2-D2 sabia até o final de Revenge of the Sith, e ao contrário de C-3PO, sua memória não foi apagada. Mesmo se tivesse sido, R2 estava em Dagobah quando Yoda confirmou a Luke que Vader era o pai de Luke, então ele pode ter ouvido isso então. Então nós poderemos adicionar R2 à lista.

    
12.07.2016 / 22:25

Luke diz a Leia em ROTJ, logo antes ele também diz a ela que ela é sua irmã.

My father has it, I have it, my sister has it. Yes, it's you, Leia!

Edit: Você agora esclareceu que você quer dizer "além de Leia". Não tenho conhecimento de eventos canônicos em que Luke teria revelado isso.

Da TFA, sabemos que Han sabia

There's nothing we could have done. There's too much Vader in him (1:24:26)

Como Lor San Tekka, quase certamente, como ele conhece a herança de Ben / Kylo

The First Order rose from the dark side, you did not. (0:7:18)

    
25.04.2016 / 10:24

Em Legendas

Sim, pelo menos algumas pessoas estão cientes disso. Toda a família Solo / Skywalker está ciente disso, assim como a (nova) ordem Jedi. Não tenho fontes precisas, mas elas devem ser referenciadas em muitos livros.

Uma das primeiras referências poderia ser na saga de Thrawn, onde Noghris chamou Leia "Lady Vader", mas eu acho que era mais ou menos secreto, então só ficou conhecido por mais pessoas.

No canon da Disney

Em O Despertar da Força , sim

Kylo Ren is aware he's Darth Vader's grandson.

Há uma cena em que ele fala com o capacete de Vader:

Show me again the power of the darkness, and I'll let nothing stand in our way. Show me, grandfather, and I will finish what you started.

Em relação a outras pessoas, ainda não há uma resposta exata até onde eu saiba, mas alguns detalhes podem ser fornecidos nos próximos livros, quadrinhos e filmes (nota: ouvi rumores de que podemos ter alguma informação no Bloodline romance, mas isso não está confirmado, uma vez que ainda não foi lançado).

    
25.04.2016 / 10:40
No primeiro romance da Crise da Frota Negra, parece ser de conhecimento geral, pelo menos entre o conselho de decisão político-militar que a presidente do Senado, Leia Organa Solo, é a filha de Darth Vader. A maioria das pessoas na sala (incluindo Ackbar e Wedge) não parece achar que é grande coisa. Este é um dos romances da editora Bantam dos anos 90. Então, Legends.

    
07.09.2018 / 03:21

Para outra resposta da UE / Legends, Luke menciona para seu primeiro grupo de trainees em Yavin. Não tenho certeza se isso ocorre na própria trilogia da Academia Jedi, mas isso acontece no livro I, Jedi, que, pelo menos em parte, segue os mesmos eventos.

    
02.06.2018 / 22:39
Não parece ser de conhecimento comum e teria sido muito fácil para Palpatine manter os detalhes do massacre de filhotes escondidos (companhia Jedi / presente como yoda e assim por diante excluídos), mas se alguém viu os rebeldes Veja que através de visões Ashoka descobre sobre os feitos errados de Anakins, mas quem ela passa esse conhecimento para eu não posso te dizer, mas o fato de que o Capitão Rex nunca diz nada e os outros nem sabem quem Anakin é seguro dizer outro as pessoas não sabiam

Editar Eu percebi que isso era uma resposta para um comentário do TED, mas ainda não tenho certeza se Luke disse aos outros, mas como alguns outros disseram Han Solo claramente sabia e, portanto, chewy também .. Eu não posso ver muita razão pela qual eles precisa manter segredo, embora o império tenha caído, o vader se foi e o imperador não está mais caçando os Jedi restantes, já que a primeira ordem não parece que destruir os Jedi é o seu objetivo principal, mesmo que Kylo Ren faça

    
26.04.2016 / 01:14