Por que Bilbo e Frodo obtêm acesso a Valinor?

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Por que Bilbo e Frodo obtêm acesso a Valinor?

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Já faz algum tempo desde que li os livros reais, mas no cinema pelo menos no final, Frodo e Bilbo recebem passagem na última nave dos Portos Cinzentos para Valinor.

Pelo que entendi, nenhuma alma mortal pode pisar em Valinor ... nunca. Esta é mesmo a razão pela qual Númenor foi afundado; Ar-Pharazôn, o Dourado, tentou invadir e os Valar afundaram Númenor e destruíram sua frota em punição. Então, por que os Hobbits são permitidos?

É simplesmente por causa de seu rolamento do Um Anel? Isso faz pouco sentido para mim; Certamente houve outros mortais cujos atos foram igualmente heróicos e abnegados no passado aos quais foi negado Valinor.

É realmente essa a razão? Que Frodo e Bilbo eram portadores do Um Anel?

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por Selonianth 18.01.2014 / 05:42

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Gandalf, como representante dos Valar, permitiu que Frodo e Bilbo fossem embora - Frodo depois que Arwen interveio em seu favor e argumentou que, uma vez que ela havia desistido de seu direito de ir para o oeste, deveria ser dada a Frodo.

Aqui está o que as Letras dizem (carta 246):

It is not made explicit how she could arrange this. She could not of course just transfer her ticket on the boat like that! For any except those of Elvish race 'sailing West' was not permitted, and any exception required 'authority', and she was not in direct communication with the Valar, especially not since her choice to become 'mortal'. What is meant is that it was Arwen who first thought of sending Frodo into the West, and put in a plea for him to Gandalf (direct or through Galadriel, or both), and she used her own renunciation of the right to go West as an argument. Her renunciation and suffering were related to and enmeshed with Frodo's : both were parts of a plan for the regeneration of the state of Men. Her prayer might therefore be specially effective, and her plan have a certain equity of exchange. No doubt it was Gandalf who was the authority that accepted her plea.

Os sentimentos pessoais de Gandalf entraram também:

Bilbo went too. No doubt as a completion of the plan due to Gandalf himself. Gandalf had a very great affection for Bilbo, from the hobbit's childhood onwards. His companionship was really necessary for Frodo's sake – it is difficult to imagine a hobbit, even one who had been through Frodo's experiences, being really happy even in an earthly paradise without a companion of his own kind, and Bilbo was the person that Frodo most loved. (Cf III 252 lines 12 to 21 and 263 lines 1-2.)2 But he also needed and deserved the favour on his own account.

Claro, eles não se tornaram imortais:

Frodo was sent or allowed to pass over Sea to heal him – if that could be done, before he died. He would have eventually to 'pass away': no mortal could, or can, abide for ever on earth, or within Time. So he went both to a purgatory and to a reward, for a while: a period of reflection and peace and a gaining of a truer understanding of his position in littleness and in greatness, spent still in Time amid the natural beauty of 'Arda Unmarred', the Earth unspoiled by evil.

Então, basicamente, Bilbo e Frodo (e talvez Sam) puderam navegar para o Oeste porque sofreram diretamente com o cumprimento dos planos especiais de Eru e dos Valar, porque Gandalf gostava deles e porque Arwen queria curá-los.

18.01.2014 / 06:24

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Gandalf, como representante dos Valar, permitiu que Frodo e Bilbo fossem embora - Frodo depois que Arwen interveio em seu favor e argumentou que, uma vez que ela havia desistido de seu direito de ir para o oeste, deveria ser dada a Frodo.

Aqui está o que as Letras dizem (carta 246):

It is not made explicit how she could arrange this. She could not of course just transfer her ticket on the boat like that! For any except those of Elvish race 'sailing West' was not permitted, and any exception required 'authority', and she was not in direct communication with the Valar, especially not since her choice to become 'mortal'. What is meant is that it was Arwen who first thought of sending Frodo into the West, and put in a plea for him to Gandalf (direct or through Galadriel, or both), and she used her own renunciation of the right to go West as an argument. Her renunciation and suffering were related to and enmeshed with Frodo's : both were parts of a plan for the regeneration of the state of Men. Her prayer might therefore be specially effective, and her plan have a certain equity of exchange. No doubt it was Gandalf who was the authority that accepted her plea.

Os sentimentos pessoais de Gandalf entraram também:

Bilbo went too. No doubt as a completion of the plan due to Gandalf himself. Gandalf had a very great affection for Bilbo, from the hobbit's childhood onwards. His companionship was really necessary for Frodo's sake – it is difficult to imagine a hobbit, even one who had been through Frodo's experiences, being really happy even in an earthly paradise without a companion of his own kind, and Bilbo was the person that Frodo most loved. (Cf III 252 lines 12 to 21 and 263 lines 1-2.)2 But he also needed and deserved the favour on his own account.

Claro, eles não se tornaram imortais:

Frodo was sent or allowed to pass over Sea to heal him – if that could be done, before he died. He would have eventually to 'pass away': no mortal could, or can, abide for ever on earth, or within Time. So he went both to a purgatory and to a reward, for a while: a period of reflection and peace and a gaining of a truer understanding of his position in littleness and in greatness, spent still in Time amid the natural beauty of 'Arda Unmarred', the Earth unspoiled by evil.

Então, basicamente, Bilbo e Frodo (e talvez Sam) puderam navegar para o Oeste porque sofreram diretamente com o cumprimento dos planos especiais de Eru e dos Valar, porque Gandalf gostava deles e porque Arwen queria curá-los.