Sabemos quando nasceu Daenerys Targaryen?

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Eu duvido que tenhamos uma data de nascimento real, mas tenho certeza que pelo menos o ano pode ser descoberto. Parece que Rebelião de Robert aconteceu de 282 AC a 283 AC, o que significa que ela nasceu em algum momento de 282 CA para 284 CA.

Alguém sabe quando Daenerys Targaryen nasceu?

    
por TheLethalCarrot 21.11.2017 / 12:40

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Uma canção de gelo e fogo

284 AC

Sabemos que Dany nasceu para o Rei Aerys Targaryen II e Rainha Rhaella Targaryen, também sabemos que Rhaella foi enviada para Pedra do Dragão depois da Batalha do Tridente e antes do Desembarque de King's Landing, então em algum momento de 283 AC.

"Rhaegar met Robert on the Trident, and you know what happened there. When the word reached court, Aerys packed the queen off to Dragonstone with Prince Viserys. Princess Elia would have gone as well, but he forbade it. Somehow he had gotten it in his head that Prince Lewyn must have betrayed Rhaegar on the Trident, but he thought he could keep Dorne loyal so long as he kept Elia and Aegon by his side.
A Storm of Swords, Jaime V

E se não é óbvio pela situação que Rhaella já deve estar grávida, o Mundo do Gelo e do Fogo diz para nós.

Birds flew and couriers raced to bear word of the victory at the Ruby Ford. When the news reached the Red Keep, it was said that Aerys cursed the Dornish, certain that Lewyn had betrayed Rhaegar. He sent his pregnant queen, Rhaella, and his younger son and new heir, Viserys, away to Dragonstone, but Princess Elia was forced to remain in King's Landing with Rhaegar's children as a hostage against Dorne.
The World of Ice and Fire, The Fall of the Dragons: The End

Dany menciona que ela nasceu "nove luas" após o vôo para Dragonstone colocando seu nascimento no final de 283 AC ou em 284 AC, no entanto, é mais provável que seja 284 AC.

She had been born on Dragonstone nine moons after their flight, while a raging summer storm threatened to rip the island fastness apart. They said that storm was terrible. The Targaryen fleet was smashed while it lay at anchor, and huge stone blocks were ripped from the parapets and sent hurtling into the wild waters of the narrow sea. Her mother had died birthing her, and for that her brother Viserys had never forgiven her.
A Game of Thrones, Daenerys I

Eddard Stark menciona em algumas ocasiões cerca de 14 anos tendo passado do rei Robert Baratheon sendo coroado, mas ele explicitamente declara a idade de Dany duas vezes e isso acontece em 298 AC como nós sabemos que a série começa neste ano .

"Whereas Daenerys is a fourteen-year-old girl." Ned knew he was pushing this well past the point of wisdom, yet he could not keep silent. "Robert, I ask you, what did we rise against Aerys Targaryen for, if not to put an end to the murder of children?"
A Game of Thrones, Eddard VIII

Ned had heard enough. "You send hired knives to kill a fourteen-year-old girl and still quibble about honor?" He pushed back his chair and stood. "Do it yourself, Robert. The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword. Look her in the eyes before you kill her. See her tears, hear her last words. You owe her that much at least."
A Game of Thrones, Eddard VIII

Isso ainda deixa os dois anos como sendo possível para Dany ter nascido. No entanto, aprendemos que Dany descobre que está grávida em seu 14º dia de namoro.

They were on the far side of the Dothraki sea when Jhiqui brushed the soft swell of Dany's stomach with her fingers and said, "Khaleesi, you are with child."
"I know," Dany told her.
It was her fourteenth name day.
A Game of Thrones, Daenerys III

Sua gravidez é discutida em Kings Landing em algum momento após o Torneio da Mão.

"The whore is pregnant!" The king's fist slammed down on the council table loud as a thunderclap. "I warned you this would happen, Ned. Back in the barrowlands, I warned you, but you did not care to hear it. Well, you'll hear it now. I want them dead, mother and child both, and that fool Viserys as well. Is that plain enough for you? I want them dead."
A Game of Thrones, Eddard VIII

O artigo a seguir menciona que o Torneio da Mão acontece em 298 AC , embora eu não o faça Não sei se isso é referenciado em outro lugar. Como sabemos que a série começa em 298 AC, isso significaria que Dany, mais do que provável, fará 14 anos em 298 AC, colocando seu nascimento em 284 AC.

No entanto, para algo mais concreto, Dany menciona que ela ainda tem 14 anos quando está seguindo o cometa.

"We follow the comet," Dany told her khalasar. Once it was said, no word was raised against it. They had been Drogo's people, but they were hers now. The Unburnt, they called her, and Mother of Dragons. Her word was their law.
...
They are not strong, she told herself, so I must be their strength. I must show no fear, no weakness, no doubt. However frightened my heart, when they look upon my face they must see only Drogo's queen. She felt older than her fourteen years. If ever she had truly been a girl, that time was done.
A Clash of Kings, Daenerys I

A seguinte página da wiki afirma que o cometa aparece no céu em 299 AC.

The first time the Red Comet is mentioned to have been seen, occurs after Rickon Stark has turned 4. Thus all POVs where the Red Comet appears can be said to take place in 299 AC with certainty.
Years after Aegon's Conquest/Calculations Events

Observe que Rickon nasceu no ano de 295 AC e, embora eu não vá adicionar citações aqui, aqui está o resumo do cálculo.

Rickon was 3 years old when the direwolves are found and during the welcoming feast at Winterfell. Both events occur in 298 AC, giving the following options:

  • 2 turning 3 in 298 AC, 3 turning 4 in 299 AC, 4 turning 5 in 300 AC, placing his birth in 295 AC

  • 3 turning 4 in 298 AC, 4 turning 5 in 299 AC, 5 turning 6 in 300 AC, placing his birth in 294 AC

Rickon was “near four” when Robb left for war, and he was 4 when the news of Ned's death reached Winterfell. Rickon was still four when Theon Greyjoy attacked Winterfell. After the Sack of Winterfell Rickon is still at 4. In 300 AC, Rickon is still 4 years old. This shows that the only correct option for Rickon is 3 turning 4 in 299 AC, placing his birth in 295 AC.
Years after Aegon's Conquest/Calculations Ages (Continued3)

Como Dany agora foi mencionado como 14 em 298 AC e 299 AC, ela deve ter nascido em 284 AC.

Game of Thrones

282 AL

Nota lateral: Todos os anos na wikia são dados em AL em vez de AC. Desde que respondi a esta pergunta, eu perguntei o seguinte sobre a mudança . Acontece que o show comprometido com o AL antes do AC foi confirmado pelo GRRM como AL foi a convenção do ano popular pelos fãs.

O nascimento dela é declarado na página da wikia e é citada como logo após Rebelião de Robert . A rebelião de Robert ocorreu em torno de 280 AL a 282 AL de acordo com a página e, portanto, ela deve ter nascido em 282 AL ou 283 AL. No entanto, é afirmado que o rebelleion terminou em Dragonstone em 282 AL e como Dany havia nascido lá e fugiu antes do final, ela deve ter nascido em 282 AL. Isso também coloca sua idade como 16, fazendo 17 anos em 298 AL, o início do show.

A seguinte página do westeros.org parece contradizer o seguinte dizendo, embora eu não saiba de onde é originado.

Daenerys has been aged for the show. In the novels, she is 13 when she is first introduced. In Game of Thrones, she is 15 years old. Contacts to give her violet eyes were tried in the pilot, but proved more trouble than they were worth.
Westeros, Daenerys Targaryen

Parece que eles mantinham o ano de nascimento igual ao dos livros quando analisavam seus cálculos. No entanto, o seguinte artigo faz o backup da wikia dizendo que Dany tem 17 anos no começo do programa, o que reforça seu nascimento em 282 AL, de onde ele é originário, não sei.

Age in the books: In A Game of Thrones (the first book in George RR Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire series), Daenerys is around 13 years old.
Age in the TV show: In HBO’s adaptation, it is stated in season one that 17 years have passed since Robert Baratheon’s rebellion – around the time Daenerys was born. It is therefore reasonable to suggest that Daenerys starts the show as a 17 year old. By season six, around five years have passed since the first episode, so we can safely assume that Daenerys is in her early twenties, let’s say, 22 years old. It’s easy to understand why they increased Dany’s age for the show since she had to shoot some pretty uncomfortable and risqué scenes with Khal Drogo from the start of the series.
Game of Thrones ages: just how old are Jon, Sansa, Brienne and Daenerys meant to be?

GRRM foi até mesmo falar sobre por que o programa mudou as idades e menciona o aumento de idade para o programa.

There was a fair amount of explicit sex in the series and some fans of the books were taken aback.
One of the reasons I wanted to do this with HBO is that I wanted to keep the sex. We had some real problems because Dany is only 13 in the books, and that’s based on medieval history. They didn’t have this concept of adolescence or the teenage years. You were a child or you were an adult. And the onset of sexual maturity meant you were an adult. So I reflected that in the books. But then when you go to film it you run into people going crazy about child pornography and there’s actual laws about how you can’t depict a 13 year old having sex even if you have an 18 year old acting the part — it’s illegal in the United Kingdom. So we ended up with a 22 year old portraying an 18 year old, instead of an 18 year old portraying a 13 year old. If we decided to lose the sex we could have kept the original ages. And once you change the age of one character you have to change the ages of all the characters, and change the date of the war [that dethroned the Mad King]. The fact we made all these changes indicates how important we thought sex was.
Entertainment Weekly, A Dance With Dragons Interview

Observe que ele tem 18 anos no início do programa, mas isso pode ser um erro de transcrição da entrevista, um erro ou foi alterado para 17 em uma data posterior.

    
21.11.2017 / 12:50

Pesquisando 'daenerys targaryen birth' leva-me à página AWOIAF - Daenerys Targeryen , onde dá a data como 284 AC . Ele dá uma referência a um cálculo em Anos após a Conquista de Aegon / Idade dos Cálculos . Os cálculos dados lá:

Eddard Stark mentions that Daenerys Targaryen is 14 years old in 298 AC.1 This leaves the following possibilities:

  • 13 turning 14 in 298 AC, placing her birth in 284 AC
  • 14 turning 15 in 298 AC, placing her birth in 283 AC

In addition, it is known that Daenerys learns she is pregnant on her 14th nameday. Daenerys's pregnancy is discussed on two occasions in King's Landing, after the Tourney of the Hand has ended. The Tournament of the Hand of the King occurs at least 6 months into 298 AC, if not more, giving an indication, but not specifying that Daenerys turned 14 in 298 AC.

When Dany is following the comet, she mentions she is still 14 years old. The comet has appeared in the sky in 299 AC (see 298 AC to 299 AC). This means that Daenerys has been mentioned to have been 14 years old in both 298 AC and in 299 AC, eliminating 283 AC as Daenerys's possible birth year, leaving only the option 284 AC.

Daenerys was thus born in 284 AC.

1 Um Game of Thrones , capítulo 35

    
21.11.2017 / 12:49