O Oberyn Poison Tywin?

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Depois que foi revelado que Oberyn envenenou sua lâmina para garantir a morte da Montanha, mesmo que ele tenha perdido, eu li que há uma teoria dos fãs que Oberyn também envenenou Tywin antes do duelo. Quais evidências existem dos livros de que esse pode ser o caso?

    
por Kaiser 27.06.2014 / 08:34

5 respostas

Não há provas de que ele tenha, mas ...

Eu sugiro a todos que leiam a teoria em si (também citada abaixo), e julgar por si mesmo. Existem várias passagens nos livros que permitem essa interpretação.

Aviso de spoiler: contém aspas completas dos livros.

Tywin Lannister: Dead Man Shitting?

“Where will I find my lord father?” “In the solar with Lord Tyrell and Prince Oberyn.” Mace Tyrell and the Red Viper breaking bread together? Strange and stranger.

     

- Jaime e Sor Meryn Trant, após o retorno de Jaime a Porto Real

     

“Widow’s blood, this one is called, for the color. A cruel potion. It shuts down a man’s bladder and bowels, until he drowns in his own poisons.”

     

—Grand Maester Pycelle, durante o julgamento de Tyrion

     

“To be sure, I have much to thank your sister for. If not for her accusation at the feast, it might well be you judging me instead of me judging you.” The prince’s eyes were dark with amusement. “Who knows more of poison than the Red Viper of Dorne, after all?” […]

“Your father,” said Prince Oberyn, “may not live forever.” Something about the way he said it made the hairs on the back of Tyrion’s neck bristle. Suddenly he was mindful of Elia again, and all that Oberyn had said as they crossed the field of ashes. He wants the head that spoke the words, not just the hand that swung the sword. “It is not wise to speak such treasons in the Red Keep, my prince. The little birds are listening.” “Let them. Is it treason to say a man is mortal? Valar morghulis was how they said it in Valyria of old. All men must die. And the Doom came and proved it true.”

     

- Príncipe Oberyn Martell e Tyrion, na cela de Tyrion

     

He found his father where he knew he’d find him, seated in the dimness of the privy tower, bedrobe hiked up around his hips. […]

For once, his father did what Tyrion asked him. The proof was the sudden stench, as his bowels loosened in the moment of death. Well, he was in the right place for it, Tyrion thought. But the stink that filled the privy gave ample evidence that the oft-repeated jape about his father was just another lie. Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold.

     

- do assassinato de Tywin por Tyrion durante sua fuga das celas negras

     

The King’s Hand was rotting visibly. His face had taken on a greenish tinge, and his eyes were deeply sunken, two black pits. Fissures had opened in his cheeks, and a foul white fluid was seeping through the joints of his splendid gold-and-crimson armor to pool beneath his body. […]

Red-eyed and pale, Cersei climbed the steps to kneel above their father, drawing Tommen down beside her. The boy recoiled at the sight, but his mother seized his wrist before he could pull away.“Pray,” she whispered, and Tommen tried. But he was only eight and Lord Tywin was a horror. One desperate breath of air, then the king began to sob.“Stop that!” Cersei said. Tommen turned his head and doubled over, retching. His crown fell off and rolled across the marble floor. His mother pulled back in disgust, and all at once the king was running for the doors, as fast as his eight-year-old legs could carry him. “Ser Osmund, relieve me,” Jaime said sharply, as Kettleblack turned to chase the crown. He handed the man the golden sword and went after his king. In the Hall of Lamps he caught him, beneath the eyes of two dozen startled septas. “I’m sorry,” Tommen wept. “I will do better on the morrow. Mother says a king must show the way, but the smell made me sick.” This will not do. Too many eager ears and watching eyes.“Best we go outside, Your Grace.” Jaime led the boy out to where the air was as fresh and clean as King’s Landing ever got. Twoscore gold cloaks had been posted around the plaza to guard the horses and the litters. He took the king off to the side, well away from everyone, and sat him down upon the marble steps. “I wasn’t scared,” the boy insisted. “The smell made me sick. Didn’t it make you sick? How could you bear it, Uncle, ser?”

     

—Jaime, Cersei e Tommen, durante o funeral de Tywin.

     

Estou apenas dizendo: significa, motivo, oportunidade.

O meio é o conhecimento expansivo dos venenos.

O motivo é a ordem para matar Elia e seus filhos durante o saque de Porto Real, que Oberyn está absolutamente convencido de que foi dado por Tywin.

A oportunidade é tomar café da manhã com Tywin e Mace Tyrell.

    
27.06.2014 / 15:17

Não, ele não o envenenou (até onde sabemos).

Nada disso foi mencionado nem nos livros nem no programa. Nós nunca o vimos tentando fazer algo assim.

Ele pode ter sido, mas vemos Tywin sendo morto por seu filho, e não por envenenamento, então nunca saberemos a menos que algo seja revelado mais tarde.

    
27.06.2014 / 09:23
A única coisa que posso pensar é o fato de que ele está sentado no banheiro quando Tyrion o confronta mais tarde. Mas eu nunca tive a impressão, pelos livros (ou pelo programa de TV), de que sua visita noturna ao banheiro se devia a veneno.

Sooo não muito sugere que Tywin foi envenenado.

    
27.06.2014 / 08:59

Elio e Linda, os co-autores de O Mundo do Gelo e do Fogo, disseram não. Embora a palavra deles não seja canônica (até mesmo a palavra de George não é), acredito que eles saibam o suficiente sobre o assunto e tenham autoridade suficiente na série para valer a pena escutar também.

No, Tywin Lannister was not poisoned.
/r/asoiaf, AMA with authors of The World of Ice and Fire, Elio García and Linda Antonsson! (Part 1 of 2)

    
17.01.2018 / 18:00

Eu me lembro de uma flecha passando por Tywin ... Mas isso é só comigo ...

    
01.07.2014 / 21:33