Quando Frodo reivindicou “The One Ring” para si mesmo, ele se tornou um novo Lorde das Trevas?

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Da Carta 131:

But to achieve this he had been obliged to let a great part of his own inherent power (a frequent and very significant motive in myth and fairy-story) pass into the One Ring. While he wore it, his power on earth was actually enhanced. But even if he did not wear it, that power existed and was in 'rapport' with himself: he was not 'diminished'. Unless some other seized it and became possessed of it. If that happened, the new possessor could (if sufficiently strong and heroic by nature) challenge Sauron, become master of all that he had learned or done since the making of the One Ring, and so overthrow him and usurp his place. This was the essential weakness he had introduced into his situation in his effort (largely unsuccessful) to enslave the Elves, and in his desire to establish a control over the minds and wills of his servants. There was another weakness: if the One Ring was actually unmade, annihilated, then its power would be dissolved, Sauron's own being would be diminished to vanishing point, and he would be reduced to a shadow, a mere memory of malicious will.

A passagem em que Frodo reivindica o anel:

'I have come,' he said. 'But I do not choose now to do what I came to do. I will not do this deed. The Ring is mine!' And suddenly, as he set it on his finger, he vanished from Sam's sight. Sam gasped, but he had no chance to cry out, for at that moment many things happened.

Isso significa que, no ponto em que Frodo reivindica o anel, ele temporariamente se torna o novo Lorde das Trevas, governando todos os Nazgûl, orcs e afins?

    
por MachinaMandala 20.04.2017 / 12:44

5 respostas

Praticamente a próxima passagem depois que Frodo afirma que o Anel é aquele em que Sauron detecta Frodo. Ele imediatamente entende que o plano é destruir o Anel, e com um certo pânico, imediatamente quer que os Nazgull voem como o inferno para o Monte da Perdição para recuperá-lo.

And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dûr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung.

From all his policies and webs of fear and treachery, from all his stratagems and wars his mind shook free; and throughout his realm a tremor ran, his slaves quailed, and his armies halted, and his captains suddenly steerless, bereft of will, wavered and despaired. For they were forgotten. The whole mind and purpose of the Power that wielded them was now bent with overwhelming force upon the Mountain. At his summons, wheeling with a rending cry, in a last desperate race there flew, faster than the winds, the Nazgûl, the Ring-wraiths, and with a storm of wings they hurtled southwards to Mount Doom.

Frodo não parece ter sido um senhor de nada. Ele não está comandando Nazgull ou Orcs neste momento - claramente ninguém estava influenciando Orcs, nem Frodo nem Sauron, e os Nazgull voam ao comando de Sauron como sempre. A escolha de Frodo de colocar o Anel no último minuto em vez de destruí-lo não é retratada como sua heróica vitória sobre Sauron - é a vontade do Anel dominar Frodo e corrompê-lo a fazer a única coisa que impedirá que ele seja destruído. Frodo não é senhor de si mesmo naquele momento, muito menos Lord das Trevas sobre o domínio de Sauron.

@ A resposta de Werrf parece ter abotoado a opinião de Galadriel sobre a probabilidade de Frodo empurrar sua vontade para o Ring, mas vou acrescentar a outra contribuição do @Royal Canadian Bandit do comentário aqui - que já temos um exemplo da vontade de um hobbit versus a de Sauron, a de Pippin, através do Palantir. Pippin é forçado a comungar com Sauron, e embora ele resista um pouco, é apenas porque Sauron interpreta mal a situação que Pippin escapa sem trair tudo, como declara Gandalf:

‘All right!’ he said. ‘Say no more! You have taken no harm. There is no lie in your eyes, as I feared. But he did not speak long with you. A fool, but an honest fool, you remain, Peregrin Took. Wiser ones might have done worse in such a pass. But mark this! You have been saved, and all your friends too, mainly by good fortune, as it is called. You cannot count on it a second time. If he had questioned you, then and there, almost certainly you would have told all that you know, to the ruin of us all. But he was too eager. He did not want information only: he wanted you, quickly, so that he could deal with you in the Dark Tower, slowly.

    
20.04.2017 / 13:02

Não - nesse ponto, Frodo se torna o novo Gollum, reivindicando o anel e querendo segurá-lo, mas incapaz de usá-lo para qualquer coisa como seu potencial.

Da Sociedade do Anel :

"I would ask one thing before we go," said Frodo, "a thing which I often meant to ask Gandalf in Rivendell. I am permitted to wear the One Ring: why cannot I see all the others and know the thoughts of those that wear them?"

"You have not tried," [Galadriel] said. "Only thrice have you set the Ring upon your finger since you knew what you possessed. Do not try! It would destroy you. Did not Gandalf tell you that the rings gave power according to the measure of each possessor? Before you could use that power you would need to become far stronger, and to train your will to the domination of others."

Ênfase minha.

Frodo é apenas um simples hobbit do Condado; ele não tem experiência ou prática dominando as mentes dos outros. Quando ele reivindicou o Anel, o Anel finalmente dominou sua mente. Ele não poderia dominá-lo, por sua vez.

O Anel deu poder a Frodo sobre Gollum; poder para dominá-lo, e poder para estabelecer um comando sobre ele que ele não poderia desobedecer, mesmo depois de ele ter reivindicado o Anel para si mesmo. Mas Gollum era, é claro, uma criatura miserável de poder ainda menor que o próprio Frodo, e um deles totalmente dominado pelo Anel. Está muito longe de dominar Sméagol e dominar um dos Nove.

Frodo pode ter dominado um ou dois snagas , orcs subservientes, mas ele nunca poderia ter começado a considerar a dominação de um dos Nazgûl.

    
20.04.2017 / 14:18

Não

A carta 246 é bem clara sobre o assunto.

Sauron sent at once the Ringwraiths. They were naturally fully instructed, and in no way deceived as to the real lordship of the Ring.

E:

I think they would have shown 'servility'. They would have greeted Frodo as 'Lord' ... Until Sauron himself came ... Sauron would not have feared the Ring! It was his own and under his will.

    
20.04.2017 / 20:21
A razão pela qual Sauron era tão fraco quanto ele, que ele era incapaz de assumir a forma humana, que ele podia detectar o uso dos anéis, comandava os Nazgull do poder por trás dele, o anel sempre procurando estar de volta com seu mestre. , e Sauron derrota final sendo amarrado ao ringue é porque para criar o anel Sauron teve que infundir com ele verdadeiramente um pedaço de si mesmo ... Por que o anel é sempre obrigado a torcer boas intenções para o mal e nunca descansar até que seja com ele. Não pode haver outro verdadeiro Lord das Trevas no ringue porque o anel é Sauron ... Sauron e o anel são duas metades de um todo.

    
28.04.2017 / 08:44

Eu acho que isso poderia ter sido possível porque Frodo conseguiu resistir ao poder da lâmina morgul por tanto tempo (a essa altura, os Espectros do Anel são provavelmente como oh, apenas já morram). Então talvez ele pudesse controlar os Nazgull e Orcs.

    
20.04.2017 / 16:43