Qual é o significado das palavras de Theon?

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Em Game of Thrones S02 E03, "O que está morto pode nunca morrer", o Senhor das Ilhas de Ferro e chefe da Casa Greyjoy, Balon Greyjoy e seu filho Theon Greyjoy dizem as seguintes palavras no castelo.

The dead may never die.

Quando Balon diz isso, Theon coloca seu punho em seu coração e repete o mesmo.

Estas palavras são repetidas por Theon durante o seu batismo também e o padre responde

But rises again harder and stronger.

Qual é o significado dessas palavras? Existe um significado oculto para essas palavras, além de ser apenas um slogan religioso?

    
por Nog Shine 02.01.2018 / 18:13

3 respostas

É mais do que apenas palavras religiosas. Os homens de ferro passam por um ritual quando chegam à maioridade, onde se afogam, para depois serem ressuscitados.

It was a bleak, cold morning, and the sea was as leaden as the sky. The first three men had offered their lives to the Drowned God fearlessly, but the fourth was weak in faith and began to struggle as his lungs cried out for air. Standing waist-deep in the surf, Aeron seized the naked boy by the shoulders and pushed his head back down as he tried to snatch a breath. "Have courage," he said. "We came from the sea, and to the sea we must return. Open your mouth and drink deep of god's blessing. Fill your lungs with water, that you may die and be reborn. It does no good to fight."

Either the boy could not hear him with his head beneath the waves, or else his faith had utterly deserted him. He began to kick and thrash so wildly that Aeron had to call for help. Four of his drowned men waded out to seize the wretch and hold him underwater. "Lord God who drowned for us," the priest prayed, in a voice as deep as the sea, "let Emmond your servant be reborn from the sea, as you were. Bless him with salt, bless him with stone, bless him with steel."

Finally, it was done. No more air was bubbling from his mouth, and all the strength had gone out of his limbs. Facedown in the shallow sea floated Emmond, pale and cold and peaceful.

(...)

He growled a brusque command, and his drowned men seized the dead boy by his arms and legs to carry him above the tideline. The priest followed, naked but for a sealskin clout that covered his private parts. Goosefleshed and dripping, he splashed back onto land, across cold wet sand and sea-scoured pebbles. One of his drowned men handed him a robe of heavy roughspun dyed in mottled greens and blues and greys, the colors of the sea and the Drowned God. Aeron donned the robe and pulled his hair free. Black and wet, that hair; no blade had touched it since the sea had raised him up. It draped his shoulders like a ragged, ropy cloak, and fell down past his waist. Aeron wove strands of seaweed through it, and through his tangled, uncut beard.

His drowned men formed a circle around the dead boy, praying. Norjen worked his arms whilst Rus knelt astride him, pumping on his chest, but all moved aside for Aeron. He pried apart the boy's cold lips with his fingers and gave Emmond the kiss of life, and again, and again, until the sea came gushing from his mouth. The boy began to cough and spit, and his eyes blinked open, full of fear.

Another one returned. It was a sign of the Drowned God's favor, men said. Every other priest lost a man from time to time, even Tarle the Thrice-Drowned, who had once been thought so holy that he was picked to crown a king. But never Aeron Greyjoy. He was the Damphair, who had seen the god's own watery halls and returned to tell of it. "Rise," he told the sputtering boy as he slapped him on his naked back. "You have drowned and been returned to us. What is dead can never die."
The Prophet, a Feast for Crows

Os nascidos de ferro são um povo que quase vive no mar. Como tal, é importante não ter medo de se afogar. Este ritual basicamente faz isso. Eles se afogam, para que não tenham medo de se afogar novamente.

What is dead may never die

Basicamente, se você já morreu uma vez (afogado), você não pode morrer novamente. Eles sobrevivendo ao afogamento os tornam mais strongs e mais strongs. Ou, pelo menos, essa é a crença deles.

Então, o adendo

but rises again, harder, stronger.

é simplesmente parte do mesmo lema.

    
02.01.2018 / 18:23

É parte da oração deles usada no Batismo e também na escolha do rei:

During the blessing ceremony, the following exchange occurs as the priest pours holy sea water over the adherent's head: TheonsBaptism

Drowned Man: "Let [name] your servant be born again from the sea, as you were. Bless him with salt, bless him with stone, bless him with steel."

Response: "What is dead may never die."

Drowned Man: "What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stonger.

     

Outro tipo de cerimônia de afogamento, usada para ungir os Reis das Ilhas de Ferro, envolve o Homem Afogado, na verdade, afogando alguém, segurando-o sob a água até que ele pare de respirar. Eles são então arrastados para a terra, onde começam a respirar novamente. A oração é prolongada nesta cerimônia:

     

Drowned Man: Let [name] your servant be born again from the sea, as you were. Bless him with salt, bless him with stone, bless him with steel. Listen to the waves, listen to the God. He is speaking to us, and he says we shall have no king but [name]. Let the sea wash your follies and your vanities away. Let the old [name] drown. Let his lungs fill with sea water, let the fish eat the scales off his eyes. What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger. What is dead may never die!

Gathered: What is dead may never die

     

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Porque após o serviço de afogamento, eles saem mais strongs e duros. Mais destemido até a morte.

Isso também vai bem com o que aconteceu com o próprio Deus que lhe deu esse nome:

Within this belief system, the Drowned God is locked in an eternal struggle against the Storm God. The Drowned God's halls are located beneath the ocean, while the Storm God lives in a castle in the sky with his thunderclouds. The Storm God is constantly trying to send storms to dash ironborn ships against rocks.

Resurrection figures prominently in the religion, in the form of being revived from drowning. The Drowned God himself is said to have drowned in the sea, for the sake of the ironborn, but returned to life "harder and stronger". Drowning is also employed as a method of sacrificing enemies to the Drowned God.

Due to their belief, the ironborn do not fear drowning in the sea. "Godly" ironborn - that is, fearless raiders - who drown are believed to be taken to the Drowned God's watery halls to feast on fish and be tended by mermaids for eternity. Thus, whenever a man dies, ironborn say that the Drowned God is in need of a strong oarsman.

    
02.01.2018 / 18:26

O que é Dead May Never Die é um duplo sentido e pode ser interpretado de duas formas .

  1. Se algo já está morto, então ele não pode morrer novamente. Não há nada a temer! Ou, como você disse neste caso, relacionando-se mais diretamente com o Nascido de Ferro e uma espécie de ritual envolvendo uma expiriência de quase morte para dar a alguém um direito de passagem, - o que não mata você, torna você mais strong. p>

  2. No entanto, na metafísica de Guerra dos Tronos , morte não é o fim de qualquer coisa , mas uma transformação, pois o trabalho fornece um espectro de 'vida "mortais", como uma forma de explorar ou contestar o que a identidade e a morte realmente são.

02.01.2018 / 18:29