Gimli e Éomer realmente teriam brigado?

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Gimli e Éomer realmente teriam brigado?

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There's an ongoing disagreement bewteen Gimli and Éomer about Galadriel, one that is only resolved because Gimli accepted that Arwen was an acceptable alternative opinion.

A partir de O Retorno do Rei, chapter "Many Partings":

'Well, lord,' said Gimli, 'and what say you now?'

'Alas!' said Éomer. 'I will not say that she is the fairest lady that lives.'

'Then I must go for my axe,' said Gimli.

'But first I will plead this excuse,' said Éomer. 'Had I seen her in other company, I would have said all that you could wish. But now I will put Queen Arwen Evenstar first, and I am ready to do battle on my own part with any who deny me. Shall I call for my sword?'

Then Gimli bowed low. 'Nay, you are excused for my part, lord,' he said. 'You have chosen the Evening; but my love is given to the Morning. And my heart forebodes that soon it will pass away for ever.'

Would they have really tried to kill each other? Gimli killing the King of Rohan, I'm sure that would have gone over well with the people of Rohan. Or would this have been more like a non-fatal duel or something?

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por NathanS 18.05.2018 / 14:49

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Something to keep in mind is that much of the mentality and cultural background in the Lord Of The Rings is that of Anglo-Saxon England and Viking England/continental Europe. People, especially warriors, from that milieu were much more willing to fight (to the death) over points of honor and to throw their lives away without hesitation than people in the Western world are nowadays. So there is a good chance that the banter of Gimli and Eomer was closer to violence than similar wordplay would be in modern times. Read Norse sagas and Anglo-Saxon chronicles, and remember how notorious the Anglo-Saxon and Norse warriors were for their readiness to rush into battle and their berkerker rages. The word "berserker" is, after all, Norse. Probably, everyone in the room tensed up until the two heroes resolved their disagreement.

18.05.2018 / 21:08

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O que são essas coisas hexagonais sob o pescoço do Concorde? Manejar armas inapropriadamente grandes não é muito poderoso?

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Sim e não.

Yes, because Gimli was a stubborn dwarf and devoted to Galadriel and had Eomer insisted, he would have fought.

But no, not really, because as the tone of the quoted passage shows (and is supported by the personalities they show in the book which are of intelligent warriors) they approached each other knowing full well what the other would say. This is best thought of as two comrades who had fought together in the great war nudging each other, winking, asking if they still want a fight over this old misunderstanding -- but really saying "Hey, let's go have a beer together."