Como sobreviver aos cinco primeiros níveis como erudito?

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Erudite is, potentially, the most powerful psionic class since he can learn every and any power from whatever list he desires. He can have literally hundreds of powers at his disposal, through it is balanced by the fact that he can use only 11 unique powers per day on 20 manifester level and only um unique power at first level

Now, I know that the ability to have, both Astral Construct e Metamorfose e Psionic Fly e Psionic Dominate and whatever else you want is good; but is it that good with that "unique powers per day" drawback on the lower levels?

Since the class is not a tanky type (d4 hitdice), the erudite clearly needs a high AC. He can't afford fullplate at first level, and even if he could, that would hinder his mobility greatly.

Theoretically, the erudite could somewhat offset with powers which grant him extra speed/bonuses to swim/jump and stuff. On the other hand, he could just get an Inertial Armor/Force Screen and get a non-hindering bonus on armor class. He also wants to be able to blast stuff (with Mind Thrust, or Energy Ray, or Crystal Shards), as well as debuff (Deja Vu), as well as have some utility (Minor Creation). His party even wants you to summon a flying thingie to get the party rogue across that wall. But he can't do most of it. Mostly, because he has, at level 1, 1 unique power per day.

Now, I know, that on later levels, erudites get much stronger. But first, they have to get there. Preferably, alive. Hence, the problem.

What strategies should low level erudites employ to ensure that he fica to those awesome levels? Especially if he is not sure who he is playing with (this question isn't about external assistance that could equally apply to any character).

What powers, feats and stuff should he get? Given that the party is money-starving and has little to no magic gear (it's common where I play). All the Erudite has, is himself, his Psicrystal, and a faint hope that his teammates, at least, will get between him and the enemy when it's necessary (if it is not a solo adventure, which it may be as well).

por Baka-Mastermind 06.04.2014 / 11:50

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It's very difficult, but pretend like you're an unskilled bard and take a first level dip into something more survivable.

To be clear, much of your survival, even more so than normal "quadrático" classes, will be a direct result of your personal creativity. Don't engage in fights you don't have to, be liberal in your sneaking about and talking-people-out-of-things. Make your first level dip and your creativity carry you through. Read the commoner handbook to get you into the right mindset.

I was halfway through writing up an answer discussing how totemist and beguiler are excellent 1-2 level dips for a dual-casting progression career when I was reminded of one of the sillier rules of the erudite:

Exception: If a character with erudite levels gains at least as many levels in another psionic class as he has in his erudite class, he permanently loses the ability to add additional powers (above and beyond the two gained at each new erudite level) to his repertoire of powers known.

Which means that there's no dual-classing progressions allowed, and that first dip won't grow with the character.

First, then, consider a rogue or factotum/1 dip, Even though it won't grow, it'll give your character a fantastic basis for skills, allowing him to serve as a scout for the first few levels.

Consider also being an Elan (as Erudite is a variant Psion, there shouldn't be any trouble for favoured classes.) Being an aberration and having access to alter self provides a huge amount of very... odd... forms for polymorph abuse.

Consider instead being a Warforged. Repair light damage is available at level one with Spell-to-power, and when combined with adamantine body, makes you a veritable tank.

Your main objective is to convince your party that you're não a wizard. Wizards are, por definição, tiny gods. That is due to the scope and versatility of their powers. Your character plays much more like a spirit shaman: you can choose, on any given day, to specialise in any given thing. In a normal game, this would be countered with much of your normal "casting" duties being offloaded into items. However, since you've stipulated your game is resource poor, this is out of the question.

At the end of the day, if this is a resource poor game, your erudite is going to be really suffering. Learning all of those spells from the minds of casters will require huge amounts of time and/or money. It's the archivist's challenge, but in a much more restrictive package.

Assuming that you do dip your first level, you do have a few useful things on your side. Spell to power is any arcane spell not simply any sor/wis spell. Therefore, look at the manual de factotum for all of the awesome spells that bards, assassins, hoardstealers, etc.. get. It will be a very tedious search, but odd-entries into early spells open them up for you.

If you don't go warforged, your first psionic feat should be a crafting feat. Here, much like the artificer, you simply cannot afford not to have emergency powers on hand. It'll consume much of your resources, but having rare spells on hand to cast when you need them is key to your staying alive to be awesome.

For example, your primary weapon for the first few levels should be your self-trained warhorse. A light horse is 75gp, but can be trained into a light warhorse with time. Hoof hoof bite on command for 75 gp is ... not horrible. Read the handle animal guide and pretend you're a druid. Given that, with time, you can apply the "warbeast template" to most any trainable animal, (Mind you, these are 3.0ish resources, but should provide an idea for how you should go about approaching the problem.)

06.04.2014 / 13:37

At levels 1-2, you're an psychic arsonist and poisoner. At levels 3-5, you're a poison wholesaler. At levels 5+ you've got fantastic spellcasting.

This is a separate answer because it takes a very different tone than "don't play one." The Erudite, (even spell-to-power) prima facie looks unplayable. A wilder starts off better and has a much more specific focus. A psion has a much more clearly defined "I'm a spellcaster. I buff myself and then X" role.

The best way to think about an erudite is as a fad-chasing "Top-heavy" spellcaster/manifester. They will (almost) never ever bother with buffs, almost always use their highest-level powers and spells to exclusion, and under no circumstances should they have damage-dealing spells (they have powers that work better for that purpose). I'm going to keep referring to spells because a spellcaster can pull off these tricks. A manifester, not so much. Only your "highest" manifester level matters to you (most of the time.)

I will recommend starting as an Elan Erudite. The bonus power points and the means of mitigating damage are incredibly handy starting out. If you have a party that will protect you, start out as a Kalashtar or Synad, according to taste.

Necessary skills: Concentration, Psicraft, Spellcraft, Craft(poisonmaking), Knowledge(Psionics) up to 5, Knowledge(arcana) up to 5. Skill tricks to taste.

You want craft(poisonmaking) because a) it's a fantastic income source for downtimes via the production of exceto, and b) you need it for psionic minor creation later. Figuring out a good sales route for your posion makes for either a fascinating backstory or a great first quest.

Levels 1 and 2 are going to be rough. At level 3, spell-to-power kicks in and you can start learning all sorts of awesome save-or-win spells (sleep, color spray) and "I'm in a city, buff me" spells (improvisation). At level 1, you're a "pure" caster, without access to any discipline spells. (And let's not get started on level 0 cantrips that still count against your unique powers limit.)

At level 1, you don't have access to any really good AoE save or dies. Your goto powers will therefore be:

  • Control Flame
    • (Make sure to spend some of your starting gold on a lantern and tindertwigs). A 1 damage no-save for the entire combat is... not actually that bad. When combined with the good chance to light enemies on fire for 1d6 continuing damage that consumes actions to put out, it goes to "really good." If you're only allowed one power in your adventuring day, this can last for 6 encounters (2 class power points, 2 bonus power points from high int. 1-3 power points from race) and be a meaningful battlefield control for all of them. Do try to appear as if you're hiding scared in the corner or something: you don't have to visibly direct the flame, and enemies are less likely to prioritize a scared little... hostage in the corner.
  • Entangling Ectoplasm
    • Better for short adventuring days, gluing enemies to the floor is a remarkable benefit to your party.
  • Matter Agitation
    • A competitor to control flame, control flame is better for long adventuring days, matter agitation is better for boss battles. Note its close range warily, but there are some days when you want to glare at someone and make their hair catch on fire. This is for those days.
  • Vigor
    • It's a bad day when you need to open with this. But bad days happen.
  • Desmoralizar
    • Some times, you wake up surrounded by enemies. It's then you cast demoralize three times in quick succession. Remember, fear effects stack.
  • Grease, Psionic
    • If you anticipate lots of group battles in enclosed spaces, grease and a crossbow isn't a bad combination.

Grab the launch object cantrip. If you're in the mood to play artillery with AoE poisons, this allows you to do it.

What it comes down to, in your first level, is to get a feel for the upcoming day. Lots of enemies promised? Control flame. Big bosses? Entangling ectoplasm or matter agitation. An early morning ambush? Demoralize. A really really bad day? Vigor.

For your first feat, go for Azure Talent. Bonus PP are bonus, and if your DM is cool with you being able to spam low-level spells and powers (at level 3 with the Azure Talent + Pycarnum Infusion), all to the better. Make sure to speak to your DM about this, as there are many different interpretations. I would, personally, assert that a recharging pool of 2 bonus PP is easily worth 2 feats and the move actions necessary to power it, as it extends your adventuring time-per-day. If your DM doesn't like incarnum, go with earth sense, in preparation for earth power (and very specially designed platform boots). A really good case can be made for the Master of Poisons feat if your DM isn't a fan of Azure Talent. If flaws are allowed, absolutely take this, and some arguments can be made that it's more valuable (at low levels) than 2 extra PP.

Surviving is a matter of conserving your PP with long lasting powers (which is why Control Flame is on the front of your list) and managing to look pathetic to your enemies, so that they save you for last. Dress like a prosperous merchant and make sure some other party is carrying the lantern and tindertwigs for your fuel. As an elan, you can burn PP for HP, but if you're doing so, your party has done something wrong. At the end of the day, be creative in your situations, set up ambushes (with cheap traps from DMG2), and make sure your party is OK with running away early if the battle looks too tough. With 5 HP, no armor, and no capacity for self-buffing, your only defense is to appear harmless. Be like Tucker's kobolds and don't behave like a stupid meatshield. (Disguise, Bluff, and Diplomacy are fantastic cross-class skills for you, if you somehow have the points free to take them.)

At the end of the day though, your primary contribution will be via your crafted poisons for the party. It's a great downtime force-multiplier and can rapidly turn the tide of a tricky battle. Your default combat poison should be sleep-smoke, since it's so cheap. It's an inhalation poison, so try to let your rogue deliver it for you. Or, if necessary, use launch object to deliver strategic packets where you need to. While it's not the sleep spell, it is a nice save-or-win that's about the same.

In level 2, it's more of the same. You have two powers per day, and more PP. You can afford to preemptively vigor yourself, while maintaining the same power choices as level 1. Don't take direct damage one-shot powers here, either. That's why you have a crossbow. Save as much money as you possibly can.

In level 3, the world starts becoming your oyster. You gain access to level 1 spells. Avoid direct damage spells at all cost, but make sure you pick up sleep, colour spray, hideous laughter, cure light wounds, and improvisation. (And say goodbye to 250gp). Find a shaper and do whatever you have to do to get access to psionic criação menor. Make it a major quest if you have to. When you're done, you'll be able to make cubic feet of black lotus extract. Consider reading the poison-making handbook, then read it. Consider also the utility of a cubic foot of burning opium (try to have a fuse) launched at an enemy encampment. Between level 1 spells that you can spam all day long and psionic minor creation, your place in the party-value-hierarchy should be well-enough established to get some nice protective gear or buffs from party members. You'll want to finish the earth power tree, or the incarnum PP generator tree. If you're going the master of poison route, pick up earth sense here. You may want to pick up the feat "Supernatural Transformation" but this will likely continue to cause issues from your DM.

There aren't any notable powers worth earmarking your "utility" slot for, as it's much better served with minor creation.

Level 4. It's worth learning levitation, as that can completely negate melee-only enemies. Since you have 3 "slots" you can earmark the third for "personal defenses", as your first two will likely be "damage over time/save-or-win spells" and "minor creation." (Be as generous as you can be with your poisons. They're free after all.) Control fire isn't worth augmenting. An augmented inertial armor of +5 AC for 4 hours is compelling. The share pain combo isn't worth the opportunity cost. Inevitably, however, this third slot will be taken up by an emergency spell that simply needs to be cast. That's OK. You have fire and poison. Benign Transposition may save your life, or (so long as your party has a singular flying... friend), give you a way to get around all sorts of obstacles. Grab astral construct as well, simply because by this level, it'll last long enough to be relevant and you can encase people (yourself for armor, or enemies for... not armor) as you desire.

Level 5. You're four levels away from metaconcerting any utility powers you need, so you're not god yet, but you've at least survived the lava-filled foothills. For these feats, it's worth taking the excluded fork above. Grab as many seer powers as possible. They won't come in handy often, but some days you'll be all about the short-circuiting of detective plots. Your survivability is directly proportional to your ability to play being a tag-along follower with the group. Yes, when you "cast" spells, you have to use verbal and somatic components (boo), which gives you away, but much of your action is going to be an archery duel, or watching a flame flit around the battlefield.

Sobrevivendo

If your DM decides to target you, you're dead. You've got emergency healing on tap by level 3, but at the consequence of not having powers available. Your saves are worthless, and you have no defenses to speak of. If you pode take supernatural transformation, all of the somatic issues attached to the thing go away, which simply means figuring out what kind of armor to wear. By level 5, you can learn the spell heroics, and can grant yourself armor proficiency thereby, but it's not an effective situation unless you can start crafting custom items. If you pode craft custom items, take the feat at level 3, and many of your woes disappear (as does most of your gold and XP). If you can't, then take advantage of the indirect approach of plentiful poison and arson and don't confront your enemies head on.

07.04.2014 / 04:51