Por que um avião nesta foto ainda não tinha marcha reduzida?

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This image (as posted in outra pergunta) É um YouTube video's thumbnail:

https://i.stack.imgur.com/zXxHL.png

I noticed that the lead twin (737?) has gear down, the 747 behind does not (appear to) have gear down, but the third plane in line (another twin) faz have gear down as well.

Why would the 747 not be gear down at this point?

por Freeman 11.03.2019 / 16:23

3 respostas

Why does the 747 not have its gear down yet?

Based on the image it is hard to say how far these aircraft are from the runway. The 747 could still be be quite far from the runway and thus does not need to have its gear down yet.

The 747-400 FCOM (NP.21.47 Normal Procedures) says:

At glideslope alive, call:

  • "GEAR DOWN"
  • "FLAPS 20"

It looks like the 747 in the picture has already intercepted the glideslope, but this is hard to say from this perspective. Also, operators may have different rules for when to lower the gear.

Then why does the third aircraft already have its gear down?

The most probable reason for this is drag. A flight crew may choose to lower the gear earlier than necessary to reduce its speed. ATC could have instructed this aircraft to fly at a lower speed for spacing and the crew then dropped the gear, which adds significant drag. This is pure speculation, of course.

11.03.2019 / 16:35

Having spend a fair bit of time being paid (by NATS) to watch arrivals at Heathrow about 20 years ago that's a seriously long lens. I used 8-12x binoculars to get an earlier chance to ID types on arrival and you wouldn't get a view like that even with 12x. Without knowing the weather conditions on the day, but assuming they're typical, you can tell from the haze that the planes are far apart - look how much less sharp each one is than the one in front of it (the 5th is recognisable as an aircraft but only just). I suggest that the later twins are larger than the one at the front, further shortening the appearance, thus they're all further away than they look. This would also explain why the last doesn't have its landing lights on.

Adding up the wake vortex separation (relevant tables) as an estimate of the length of the shot and assuming we have a Medium (seperation not dictated by wake vortex so I've used a low figure of 2.5 NM) followed by 4 Heavies (4 NM required for a Heavy following a Heavy) we have 14.5 NM from the first to the last. With no ground in sight we can assume that the A320ish is still some way from the threshold, so it's likely to be just that it's further away than it looks.

CptReynolds reckons no. 3 is an A320 (like no. 1). If so, they're minimum* 7.5 NM apart and no. 3 is (by similar triangles) 2.5x as far away as no. 1. That makes no. 1 4.33 NM from the observer. We lack metadata and any direction or even time references but this map I found shows plane-spotting locations roughly 300-400 m (or 0.2 NM) E of the visible start of 27L and 27R (I assume the airport is on westerly operations because of the prevailing wind, and I won't consider displaced thresholds). If the observer was at one of those locations, that would mean we have, with rounding, something like:

A/C no. A/C type  Min distance from runway (NM)
1       A320      4.5
2       B747      7
3       A320      12
4       ?         14.5
5       ?         17 

At this point, I admit to knowing much more about photography, maps etc. than aviation operations, and will let the experts weigh in on reasons (my suspicion is that no. 3 is limiting its speed)


* Of course there will be a margin on top of the minimum, but LHR runs pretty tight so I'll ignore the fact everything is probably a little further away.


The question really seems to be not "why doesn't the 2nd aircraft have its gear down" as "why faz the 3rd", given that it's still some way out.

12.03.2019 / 11:24

Larger plane more drag on the wheels perhaps? I'm only guessing, but it would make sense to me, the larger size of the second plane would mean there was already extra drag on it compared to the smaller planes, and lowering the gear too soon might have reduced their air speed by too much.

11.03.2019 / 19:38